Monday, October 18, 2010

Fwd: [bharat-chintan] The Hamas Charter shows why there can be no peace in the middle-east



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From: Mario Goveia <mgoveia@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:32 AM
Subject: [bharat-chintan] The Hamas Charter shows why there can be no peace in the middle-east


Folks,

Is it any wonder that the Israelis want a Jewish state since every Arab country, not to mention Iran, Indonesia, Bangladesh and Pakistan, are Muslim states?

Besides, who is it [the Arabs] threatening whom [Israel] with wiping them off the map?  Israel has been on the defensive since day one, yet their defensive actions are deliberately misconstrued as aggression, even as the initial aggression by the Arabs is ignored.  Who has used suicide bombers against innocent civilians?  Who launches rockets from Gaza randomly hoping to kill some Jews?

The Zionists have signed peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan, proving they can live in peace with Arabs who accept their right to exist as a Jewish state and renounce violence.  The Palestinians, aided and abetted by Feroze and his jihadi gang, have not only refused to accept Israel but the Hamas charter calls for its elimination - based on some false interpretations of the Qu'ran.

Are you familiar with the Hamas Charter?
 
 
Do you know what the leader of Hamas said recently?
 

Indians must open their eyes and see the stark parallels between Muslim aggression in the middle-east and the identical aggression in Kashmir.  In both cases the Muslims have tried to impose their will by force for 63 years instead of peaceful negotiations.

Notwithstanding the barrage of misinformation and propaganda being spread in the forum by Feroze and others, all you have to do is read the above two links and ask yourself why Feroze so studiously ignores the information therein even as he spreads his vile propaganda.
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From: Feroze Mithiborwala <feroze.moses777@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sun, October 17, 2010 2:10:28 AM
Subject: Re: Peace Mumbai Re: [bharat-chintan] Dr. Mustafa Barghouti's article (NYT), on the so-called p(i)eace process.

Dear All,

The quotes below, will forever put to rest any doubts one may have about the Zionist agenda & it's major protagonists, ranging from the right to the supposed Left.

The agenda always was & still is the ethnic cleansing of all the Palestinian population from all of historic Palestine & still is.

Regards

Feroze
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Zionist Quotes
BASED On Declassified Israeli Documents & Personal Diaries

Since the inception of Zionism, its leaders have been keen on creating a "Jewish State" based on a "Jewish majority" by mass immigration of Jews to Palestine, primarily European Jews fleeing from anti-Semitic Tsarist Russia and Nazi Germany. When a "Jewish majority" was impossible to achieve, based on Jewish immigration and natural growth, Zionist leaders (such as Ben Gurion, Moshe Sharett, Ze'ev Jabotinsky, and Chaim Weizmann) concluded that "population transfer" was the only solution to what they referred to as the "Arab Problem."

It must be emphasized that the concept of "population transfer" was embraced by all shades of opinion in the Zionist movement, from the Revisionist Right to the Labor Left, including the "Moderate" Moshe Sharett and the socialist Arthur Ruppin. Most, if not all, of the below quotes have been researched by Israeli and Jewish historians, who extracted them from declassified Israeli and Zionist archives. For your convenience, each quote has been referenced (along with the page number), and grouped by: the Zionist Leader to whom the quotes is attributed, and by subject matter.

Zionist Leader Subject Matter

A special thanks goes to Mark Kober- Smith, an anti-Zionist British Jew, for editing and proofreading this important book. Over several months, Mark put an incredible amount of time and effort to bring this section to what it is today.

Related Links



On 17 October 2010 09:45, Feroze Mithiborwala <feroze.moses777@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mario,

As I have repeatedly stated, you have a very very limited limited reading or an historical understanding & perspective of the Palestinian question, beyond the colonial racist Zionist narrative, a concocted lie, that is now even falling apart in the West & crubling as will evetually the Apartheid Walls & Check-points that mar the landscape.

The obscenity of the genocidal Ashkenazi agenda stands exposed for all the world to see, apart from a few deranged fanatics & a dwindling band like Mario & his ilk.

For those who live & swear by the propaganda of an Israel living under perpetual threat, they only need to read the statments by the Israeli leadership in this context.

Major General (retd) Shlomo Gazit who was the Head of Research at the directorate of Military Intelligence. In discussion with Alan Hart who is the author of a brilliant book "Zionism the Real Enemy of the Jews", one morning over a cup of coffee he said to Shlomo Gazit: "I've come to the conclusion that its all a myth. Israel's existence has never ever been in danger". Through a sad smile Gazit replied, "The trouble with us Israeli's is that we've become victims of our own propaganda".

For all those who are convinced of the perennial threat to the existence of Israel, we must read the interview of General Moshe Dayan, (the legendary Israeli General and Defence Minister and the victor of the "Six Day War of Aggression, in 1967") which he gave to Yediot Aharonot in 1976 and which was only published in April 27, 1997.

On being asked to comment about Syria as a threat to Israel in the 1967 War, this is what Moshe Dayan had to say.

"This was bullshit, Syria was not a threat to Israel before 1967. Just drop it. I know how at least 80 percent of all the incidents with Syria started. We were sending a tractor to the demilitarized zone and we knew that the Syrians would shoot. If they did not shoot, we would instruct the tractor to go deeper, till the Syrians finally got upset and started shooting. Then we employed artillery and later also the air force …. I did that ….and Yitzhak Rabin did that, when he was there."

According to Dayan the Israeli provocation for the war with Syria was greediness for the land. "to grab a piece of land and keep it until the enemy gets tired and gives it to us".

Also consider the following strategy statement by former PM Ehud Barak as reported by Amir Oren in the Haa'retz, January 8, 1999.

"At the moment," Barak admitted, "there is no consensus for an operation against the Syrians except where the terrorists are concerned – (an issue) which under certain circumstances, such as a multi-casualty terrorist strike, or a Katyusha rocket on the Galilee, might lead to consensus….."

With this in mind Barak recommended that "the necessary infrastructure and plans be prepared for a swift operation, 1967 style against Syria, (an operation) that will develop through a rapid chain of events – a terrorist strike, a strike on terrorists …….it might be possible in indirect ways to influence the forming of a chain of events leading to an anti-terrorist strike."

As for the negotiations, Hamas is willing & is on record as being ready to negotiate & has agreed to a two-State solution. It is the Israeli's & the American's (led by the Zionists camp), that refuses to "recognize" the democratically elected government.

As for the the matter about recognizing Israel, that has been done long long ago by the Arab world & they have put forward a peace plan on the basis of UN resolutions & International law, which for Israel really do not matter, as we all know.

All that Hamas is saying & asking is the following, the reason is also because till date, Israel is the only nation that has not yet submitted a map of its borders to the UN.

So Hamas is saying & asking, which Israel should we recognise?!:

That of 1948, when in a flawed & contrived vote, under the pressure of the Imperial powers, the UNGA voted to partition Palestine & gave the Jews (30%) an unprecedented 56% of the most fertile lands.

This resolution was voted against by India & the emerging new Independent countries.

Moreover, the UN has no legal right to partition any country & it was & still is beyond their mandate.

Finally in 1948, the Zionist European hordes with the funds from the US & advanced weapons from East Europe, captured 78% of Palestine.

Then that of 1967 . . . .

Or that of 2010 when they have & are building Settlements all across the West Bank & East Jerusalem. Today more than 60% of the West Bank is under Zionist control & it is growing.

As for the infantile rantings of the Western corporate media, President Ahmadinejad of Iran, never called for the Israel to be wiped of from the map. What he said was that the Zionist regime & order of Israel will finally be woiped away & for those who understand history, it's logical corollary is with the Nazi regime in Germany & the Apartheid regime of South Africa. The wiping away of both these regimes led to the rise of democratic societies & nations.

The Zionists leadership of Israel, for all those who can see, is committed to the total ethnic cleansing of all of the Palestinians, from all of historic Palestine & thus under the pretext of a peace process, they have increased their control over Palestinian territory, whilst conducting the charade of talks.

In any case, the movements to Boycott Israel are growing across the world, whilst Israel & the dwindling racist supporters are on the losing side of history.

Also do read & refer to:


2)The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Ilan Pappe by Stephen Lendman
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4715

3)
Zionist Quotes,
BASED On Declassified Israeli Documents & Personal Diaries
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Famous-Zionist-Quotes/Story637.html

In Solidarity with the International Intifada

Freedom to Palestine * End the Siege of Gaza * Boycott Apartheid Israel

Regards

Feroze Mithiborwala


On 16 October 2010 23:26, Mario Goveia <mgoveia@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


Feroze is correct about the peace process being a sham.

However, what Feroze has refused to explain to us, even after several requests by me, is how is there supposed to be a "peace process" when one side, the one he supports, has refused to accept the other side's right to exist, has rejected negotiations with them, and has an objective of wiping the other side off the map, by force if necessary.

If you don't believe me read the following:

Are you familiar with the Hamas Charter?
 
 
Do you know what the leader of Hamas said recently?
 



From: Feroze Mithiborwala <feroze.moses777@gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, October 16, 2010 6:20:20 AM
Subject: [bharat-chintan] Dr. Mustafa Barghouti's article (NYT), on the so-called p(i)eace process.

Dear All, This is an extremely important article by Dr. Mustafa Barghouti on the ongoing sham of a peace process.

Read it & circulate the same as widely as possible.

Regards

Feroze

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From: Mustafa Barghouthi <mustafaunity@gmail.com>
Date: 16 October 2010 15:16
Subject: Dr. Mustafa article
To: feroze.moses777@gmail.com
 

October 14, 2010

Smothered by Settlements

By MUSTAFA BARGHOUTHI

Negotiations between two unequal parties cannot succeed. Success in Palestinian-Israeli negotiations requires a reasonable balance of power, clear terms of reference and abstention of both sides from imposing unilateral facts on the ground. None of that existed in the talks that were re-initiated in September.

Much like previous rounds of talks, these negotiations were dominated on one side by an Israeli government that controls the land, roads, airspace, borders, water and electricity, as well as the trade and economy of the Palestinian side, while possessing a powerful military establishment (now the third military exporter in the world) and a robust gross domestic product, which has tripled in the last decade.

This same Israeli "partner" now also boasts a general public that has shifted dramatically to the right, and to which an apartheid system for Palestinians has become an acceptable norm.

On the other side is the Palestinian Authority — one that paradoxically holds little real authority, and exists as a sort of fiefdom within the Israeli matrix of control. Further debilitating the P.A. is a protracted internal Palestinian division, total dependence on foreign aid and a decline of democracy and human rights. Finally, the Palestinian Authority is constantly pressured to provide security for its occupier while failing to provide any protection whatsoever to its own people from that same occupier.

How did we get here? The answer, in large part, has to do with the continued and unabated construction of settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem in the 17 years since the Oslo agreement.

In this time, the number of settlers has increased by 300 percent and the number of settlements doubled. The settlements are only the front line of a complex and profitable system that includes checkpoints, road segregation, security zones, the "apartheid wall" and "natural reserves."

This matrix has for years eaten up the land, water resources and the economic space of the independent Palestinian state supposedly being negotiated in this same period. About 60 percent of the West Bank and 80 percent of water resources have been consumed this way.

We have reached, and probably surpassed, that critical point at which any more settlements mean the death of the two-state solution.

The Israeli establishment knows this better than anybody. They also know that their hard-line positions on issues like Jerusalem and borders mean transforming the idea of Palestinian statehood into something much less: isolated clusters of land in a system of segregation.

The International Court of Justice and endless United Nations resolutions have ruled that settlements are illegal and should be removed. Even the Road Map issued by the so-called Quartet (the United States, the United Nations, the European Union and Russia) in 2003 said that all settlement activities must stop. Yet neither the United States nor the Quartet as a whole has had the guts to exert serious pressure on Israel to stop settlements.

So what is left?

The only way to save the two-state solution is for the Palestinians to declare the establishment of an independent Palestinian state on the territories occupied by Israel in 1967, including East Jerusalem, and to demand that the world community recognize it and its borders — as it did in the case of Kosovo.

That would also mean supporting the right of Palestinians to struggle nonviolently to end the occupation of their state. Any future negotiations, therefore, would not be about the right of the Palestinians to have their own sovereign independent state, but rather about how to apply and implement that right.

This would be the true test of the state-building strategy of the United States and the donor community. It would be the real instrument to finally demarcate the difference between support for free Palestinian institutions in a sovereign and viable state, or footing the bill of occupation and using E.U. and U.S. tax dollars to maintain under various guises what will never amount to anything but an apartheid system denying Palestinians their human and national rights.

If the world community turns its back on such a declaration of independence by using the well-worn and insulting argument that every step should first be verified with the Israeli government, then the message will be clear: Peace based on two states is no longer an option.

Mustafa Barghouthi is the founder of the Palestinian National Initiative and a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council.

 

 

 

 




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